Michael Ellnerhas been the President of an AIDS Denialist group, H.E.A.L.since 1985. They are based in New York City.Since 1982 H.E.A.L.has "provided information and support for alternative and holistic approaches to AIDS and related conditions."
Typical of any AIDS Denialist group, H.E.A.L.and Michael Ellner are deeply mistrustful of the government, the mainstream medical community and the media which conveys their information.
In part two of this two part podcast, Bickford talks to Ellner in New York.
Ellner has claimed that safe sex and condoms are unecessary, that the HIV virus does not exist and that the reason why the symptoms of AIDS occur are due solely to the effects of antiretroviral medications.
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